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Delve into the captivating tales of women from the Bible, exploring their lives within ancient cultures and historical contexts. These narratives reveal not only their stories but also the profound love and beauty of the God we worship.
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017 Interview with Laurie Krieg: Navigating Sexuality in a Christ-Centered Way
We explore the profound intersection of sexuality and faith with our guest, Laurie Krieg, whose transformative journey into ministry provides vital insights. Laurie's mission is equipping parents and individuals on navigating sexuality within a gospel-centered framework.
- Lori shares her story of personal struggle and the need for deeper understanding
- Understanding sexual brokenness and its impact on faith
- Insights into parenting and preparing kids for conversations on sexuality
- Strategies for engaging with LGBTQ peers compassionately
- Emphasizing Christ-centered love and identity beyond attractions
- Resources and projects Lori is developing for parents
Follow Laurie on social media @laurie_krieg or visit her website www.lauriekrieg.com
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Hello there. I am so thankful for everyone who is listening in. Today we are taking a break from our Women in Context series to have a conversation with the delightful and wise Lori Craig. Lori is a coach, speaker, author and podcast host whose mission is to equip Jesus followers with gospel-centered approach to sexuality. She lives in Michigan with her husband, Matt, and their three kids. Welcome, Lori, I am so excited to have you here.
Jessica LM Jenkins:I'm so glad to be with you, so I know you love teaching about how the gospel interplays with marriage, sexuality and all aspects of life. Can you tell us how God drew you into this particular ministry?
Laurie Krieg:God drew you into this particular ministry. Yeah, the short story of the long story is in college. My sexuality and my faith really collided.
Laurie Krieg:I met another woman who I was drawn to romantically and I had felt glimmers of attraction growing up, but it was in college, even though I was going to Christian college and I love Jesus, and I didn't even fit my own stereotypes of what a homosexual person I say with air quotes because that was kind of the language in the early 2000s but a gay person might look like or act like, and so I was really surprised that this draw was so intense.
Laurie Krieg:I ended up in a secret same-sex relationship with her and really my faith and my sexuality collided, and the help for me was not bashing my own head with passages about the prohibitions against marriage. It was someone discipling me and really coming alongside and helping me understand the deeper desires underneath the wants or the attractions that I felt. It was really the desire beneath the desire was to be seen and known and loved, and my particular version of sexual brokenness that God has allowed in me because of the fall tells me that I can get those needs to be seen and known and loved in another woman. Now the antidote is not to find my completion in a man, it's, of course, to find it in Christ, and so someone helped me to really not just know God with my mind, but to experience the love of God in the deepest places of my pain and shame, and that love has power to help us to die to ourself every day, and so that was really the rescue for me.
Jessica LM Jenkins:I love that and I remember reading a lot of that story in your book on marriage Impossible Marriage which we'll talk about here in a moment. But besides that book, what other projects are you working on right now?
Laurie Krieg:I know you have a podcast but what else do you have going on? Yes, I'm working on two big projects right now. One is I just got hired on to be a part of the Center for Faith, sexuality and Gender, where I served as a board member. Now I am the Director of Parent Programs and Development, so I'm helping to expand the Center's reach to really equip parents, to help equip their kids in areas of sexuality and gender with peaceful, gospel shaped confidence. So how can we help parents equip their kids? So we're trying to teach parents to teach their kids, and so the two projects I'm working on one is a film project, a discipleship curriculum for parents, and another one is a book with inner varsity on the same topics.
Jessica LM Jenkins:I love that. I know a lot of the questions. I asked my followers on Instagram to send in questions for you and a lot of the questions I got related to parenting and these things. So we'll get into those in a few minutes. One thing I always ask all of my podcast guests and I want to ask you is who is your favorite woman of the Bible and why?
Laurie Krieg:Who is your favorite woman of the Bible and why? Oh, I love the woman caught in adultery. I so felt like her when I was really in my deepest wrestling with my faith and sexuality is is. I almost wanted people to throw stones at me because it that's what I felt like I deserved. Yeah, he's like. Sometimes when you're living in shame, the visceral pain feels like that's going to like uh, the the desire for punishment for sin, like it's it's instinctive within us yes.
Laurie Krieg:And yet Jesus stepped in and he took her punishment. He takes mine and it's still powerful.
Jessica LM Jenkins:I love that. That is incredibly beautiful because I know myself that visceral desire for punishment when I'm in shame. I just love how you put that into words and related it to the woman caught in adultery, which is an amazing passage. So I've read your book Impossible Marriage and I got a couple notes that just wanted to thank you for writing the book.
Jessica LM Jenkins:One of the people is in a neurodivergent marriage, which is different than what you described, but there's so few marriage books that we've been able to discover that have that go outside the norm, that deal with marriages highly impacted by trauma, by same-sex attraction, by neurodivergence, by disability. There's so few books that deal with those sorts of marriages that yours can. Really, with the unique focuses, it has really fit for a lot of those couples. So first I just want to thank you for writing the book and say that for myself and some of my listeners it's been incredibly impactful. But for those who aren't familiar with your book, which is titled An Impossible Marriage, can you share some of what led you to write that book and what the book is about?
Laurie Krieg:I mean I can say a big reason I wrote the book is exactly what your listeners said is I was really sick of being a footnote in like normal marriage books.
Laurie Krieg:They're like oh well, if you've had trauma, see a counselor. If you have same-sex attraction, uh, I don't think they exist or like neurodiversity probably is not, not even in anyone's brain. So I I get that it's not the norm, but I don't think we should always then be relegated to a footnote, and I really wanted to take our unique, what I call an impossible marriage and really kind of do what the cross did. If I may be so bold and say actually every marriage is impossible, and where the cross was a place of shame and where my marriage people could be like oh, you have a same sex attraction, your husband was addicted to porn, you should feel shame about that, and just like how the cross is something, a place of shame that God used for our glory. God can use these impossible situations of suffering for our good, in God's glory and to really show the world too, every marriage is impossible.
Laurie Krieg:Yeah, because it's supposed to show when you love this other person. You show the world a picture of how Jesus did the impossible and he came to earth, died a death that you deserve and in order to be one with you. Our marriages display that a glimmer of that union. So I wanted to pull our story of my uh default attractions toward other women, even though I am married to a man. Uh, it's, our hearts connect. If people are like, how does that work? Isn't attraction like the biggest part of marriage? And if you're honest and you've been married more than five minutes, usually attraction is not the core of your marriage. There's other layers of intimacy that can grow and lead to physical intimacy. But that's how our marriage works. We just kind of walked into it with uh eyes wider open than perhaps some do in areas of attraction.
Jessica LM Jenkins:Yeah, On the topic of attraction, one of the questions I got was are many people in mixed orientation marriages actually just bisexual, or are they actually married to someone they are not sexually attracted to?
Laurie Krieg:sexually attracted to. So I do not think that LGBTQ people are ontologically a different form of human. Okay, I don't think we. I don't think I'm a different. I think there's humans and there's God's design for human sexuality and then that's it. It's like here's what you're supposed to do with it. So I actually I understand the how labels like bisexuality et cetera can help put language to our internal experience. So I get that. But I really think I mean.
Laurie Krieg:Studies show if you look at Lisa Diamond's work human sexuality is very fluid, especially for women, yes, and even men. So I I struggle with some of those boxes of um that that put labels on people. So I I'm like just gonna default. I'm just gonna say the question. I don't call myself bisexual, I call myself broken, broken. My sexuality is broken and if I struggle with lust, it's toward women. But I love Matt and I'm committed to him. And when we grow in a in heart attraction, uh, in in union, that leads to a desire for physical union. So not sure I answered the question, but that's how I see it.
Jessica LM Jenkins:That's wonderful, and that relates to the next question I have, which somebody was wondering why do people use the term gay Christian? Why don't they just confess their struggle but not frame it as a core part of their identity? Why abstain? Why not just abstain from same-sex desires to enjoy pursuing straight marriage?
Laurie Krieg:That was a lot, but it was a lot Okay, so I'll just start with why do people call themselves gay Christian core identity? I would just say we don't actually know how people who identify as gay Christian see themselves and if it is a part of their core identity. 99.9% of the people who identify as gay Christians who I know they would not say it's a part of their core identity. They would say Jesus is my core identity and this is a descriptor that helps to describe my internal experience and it's an easy way for me to tell people how I view the world. So that's usually how. And then to the last point, like why don't they just pursue a straight marriage? That gets into the beauty of this conversation in the sense that that's not the purpose of our life. The purpose of our life is not to get married and make Christian babies and tithe and die.
Jessica LM Jenkins:Yes, preach.
Laurie Krieg:The church's missional vocation is to advance the kingdom of God until everyone everywhere is living in joyful submission to King Jesus. Marriage and singleness are equally valuable ways that we advance God's kingdom. So I would say why do they have to pursue a straight marriage? Why can't they say this is my experience, if they want to talk about that or not, and then they advance god's kingdom. Now we could ask a question about is it wisest to identify as a gay christian? You could ask that question, but that's I'm not going to be judge and jury about that. I think. I think I can understand why people would choose to call themselves that and why they wouldn't.
Jessica LM Jenkins:Absolutely. And so, as someone who experiences same-sex attraction and who is a mom, what would you say your biggest piece of advice if you were to just boil it down simply for parents parenting their children? Today, in 2025, with the LGBTQ concerns floating in the world, what's your one digested piece of parenting advice?
Laurie Krieg:Honestly, it trickles on the heels of what I just said. I think a reason we're panicking is because we have preached a gospel of the purpose of your life is to find an opposite sex. Christian spouse make christian babies, tithe and die. Yeah, I am all about babies, but because the greater desire for god is for us to be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth and subdue it to advance his kingdom, which includes kids, but it also includes transforming kids into disciples of God, and so I think our biggest thing is to take a deep breath and remember this is all about the kingdom of God, and no matter how our kids experience their version of sexual brokenness, it does not change God's mission.
Laurie Krieg:I pray for a day where kids wake up and if they're like, oh man, I'm attracted to the same sex, and they shrug. If they were like oh man, I'm attracted to the same sex, and they shrug, I love that. They say, oh well, that's my version of sexual brokenness. I'm called to surrender to the Lordship of Christ. Does God, is God going to draw me towards someone of the opposite sex and that's how I steward my sexuality? Or is he calling me to celibate singleness and I give up sex and heirs, biological heirs for the glory of God. Sex and heirs biological heirs for the glory of God. But it does not change my purpose or the vision of God for the world or for me. It's still dope, yeah, so that's. That's. My biggest thing is I think that we can bless this conversation because it's making Christians wake up and say up and say what is the purpose of Christians' lives.
Jessica LM Jenkins:Mm-hmm, yeah, and I love that singular focus of this is what God has created us to do. Having a marriage and family can be one expression of that, but especially recording this just on the heels of Valentine's Day, which was last week and I saw all throughout social media a real emphasis, especially in some Christian circles, on marriage even setting a table for your child's future spouse at the table yeah, this kind of idolatry of marriage and some of those things. I love how you're reframing that. That. That is just one expression of how we can fully glorify God and that can't be our primary focus.
Laurie Krieg:No, it's idolatry. Marriage is so good because when two different people die to self to be one in a covenant, it shows a picture how Jesus is so different from us, but he died to be one with us. He covenanted to us. Marriage is great, but it's because it's a part of the greater purpose of our lives, which is to advance the kingdom of God until everyone everywhere is living in joyful submission to King Jesus.
Jessica LM Jenkins:Amen, amen. So to take some of these thoughts and make them more practical for the parents in the nitty-gritty day-to-day with their kids interacting with people in their communities how do we prepare our kids for interactions with LGBTQ people classmates, friends they have at school, especially if our child is feeling weird or nervous about engaging people like that?
Laurie Krieg:We need to do what-if scenarios in our home. Okay, we need to be talking hand-in-hand. What is the truth and why is God's design for marriage? This and I really, when we speak truth, I'm not saying you say the theology of no, I want parents to understand the theology of yes. Why is it male-female marriage? Well, because same-sex marriage is bad. It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. No, it's two different things. Come together to show the world how God is so different from us, but he wants union with us. What's the yes, then? At the same time, we need to say how do we interact with people? So I was just talking about this in a meeting, right before talking with you is.
Laurie Krieg:I was sharing a story when our daughters were seven and eight years old and they were going to public school and my daughter was going to bring a neck pillow for pajama day that had a picture of Jojo Siwa on it and I was like, oh, my kids don't know that she's gay and I wonder how these other kids are going to make fun of her or what. So I did it. Hey guys, I just want you to know did you know that Jojo Siwa is actually dating a girl? And my girls were six and eight at the time and they're like, what it's like? Yeah, and I was like, why is that not God's best? Why does he not want us to date someone of the same sex? And I had them say it back to me and they say the word they automatically, they know different and so they spit that back at me. Different Marriage has to be different because God is so different from us. And when moms and dads love each other, they show me a picture of how God loves me. My kids I've been hearing that since they were three years old. Different is the key word.
Laurie Krieg:So I'm saying truth, I'm saying it from a theology of yes, lens, a positive gospel vision. Now let's talk about the praxis, let's talk about how we live that out. So I said so what if someone in your class is dating someone or likes like, like, likes, or I say the word hard eyes that's their language, like they, hard eyes another girl? How do we treat them? So I just did the truth. Now we're going to do the love, yes, which those are together, but let's just talk about the grace piece. So they're going to they would. I mean honestly, kids might say things like oh, we should hate them or we should tell them it's wrong, like kids are just going to say whatever. And this is where I can correct on this end. Just like I would correct on the truth end, let's correct on the grace end.
Laurie Krieg:You know, I love you guys so much, but you know what? Actually, we are going to always love our friends because you know what they, these friends actually don't even know Jesus. And you know, when we don't know Jesus, why would we follow Jesus's way? And so this is God's way. Is this theology of this marriage? This is like this, but the world doesn't know that. So what we're going to do is we're going to love our friends, even if they're not choosing God's way, because they need to know God before they choose God's way. So that's one way is to do something like we're going to love people. Now there's more conversations we can have, but I'll just pause there because that's a lot.
Jessica LM Jenkins:No, but that's such. I love the. I really appreciate how you start with the truth and you bring it back to that and then you get to the practical. How do we do this, day in, day out? Who they are experiencing for lack of a better term internal fear, stress, nervousness. Their kids are also feeling that, just about being in the same space as those who identify with the LGBTQ team. So how would you, what words would you have for those who are dealing with? They get that. We need to love, we need to be kind, but they're dealing with internal fear, almost like if I'm around them, is it going to rub off? Or how do I even stay in the same physical space with these people who are so different from me and have such different values than me? I know I need to love them, but I'm actually in some ways, nervous and afraid to engage them.
Laurie Krieg:I mean, I love the example of Jesus, like he hung out with the sinners and the tax collectors so much that they called him a drunkard and a sinner himself and he was literally the son of God. Now how could Jesus do that? So astounding to me that Jesus is the son of God and he spent so much time praying. He rooted his identity absolutely in the Father so that when he engaged with us shabby sinners all of us, including the quote least of these Yep, it didn't, he didn't, it wasn't grossed out, he washed our feet, he wasn't scared, he leaned in. And so I would say we need to root ourselves so deeply in the love and theology of God's love and truth and grace that it makes us run to people who we just deem other, just like Jesus.
Jessica LM Jenkins:Yes, All throughout scripture. That's the example we have of both Jesus and God the Father. They can't help themselves. But to come to the weak and the hurting and the sinful, they are drawn to that by their very nature, and then we get to reflect that back to the broken people around us.
Laurie Krieg:Yeah, now we're people who are engaging in sin. Should we have those people be people who are speaking deeply into our lives and are our best, best, best, best friends? I think we need, I think we can be friends with people, but should they be our absolute best, best, best, best friends if they are living in ongoing unrepentant sin of any variety? If they are living in ongoing unrepentant sin of any variety, any variety greed, drunkenness, porn, addiction, pride? Should people be our closest allies who are helping to form us and conform us and hold us accountable into walking into the image of Christ? I would say no Right image of Christ. I would say no Right. But I do think we need to have peers alongside us who, part of the way that they conform us and help us to iron, sharpen, iron, conform into the image of Christ, is people who help encourage us to love our neighbors like Jesus did. Amen, amen, like Jesus did.
Jessica LM Jenkins:Amen, amen. So, moving on with the same topic, some parents wonder do we need to avoid books and shows, movies that have LGBTQ themes and characters with our children? Should we screen everything and just keep it away from our kids? Do we just dive headfirst and just let it all like? What is your wisdom on that topic?
Laurie Krieg:right, I don't like extremism on any account. Um, just in general. But first of all, let's just go ahead.
Laurie Krieg:Step one hypocrisy check yep what do you do when there's a heterosexual fade to black scene? Are you like shrug? And then there's an lgbtq character that comes on the screen who's just, there's no romance about it, just lgbtq character. And you go, yeah, freaking out. Let's just go ahead and say, all right, that's uh unequal. We say the ground is level at the foot of the cross, that's not exactly equal. So let's just go ahead and think about that. But I think with that sort of okay, sin is sin lens over our eyes, let's go ahead and then let's approach uh, all media with that sort of lens and let's say, if it's like an overt sin of any variety greed, drunkenness, lgbtq romance, gender transitioning, heterosexual, outside of marriage romance there's going to be some things that you as a family are going to have to determine as, like, these are just red flags, these are just a no, automatic no, and then there's going to be like a middling level of like, oh, this is like okay, you know, this is not maybe overt, but I want to have a conversation.
Laurie Krieg:And if it's an, automatic note I want you to turn it off and I want you to share with your kids again, holding truth and grace, what is the positive vision and how are we going to love people? Because you know what the truth is you don't know who's in that room when we turn off the TV and we're scoffing and angry. You do not know who is in that room when we turn off the tv and we're scoffing and angry. You do not know who is in that room, including your kids, or your kids, friends who they love, who are hearing. My mom is scoffing at that lgbtq character. She has no idea what's going on with me. Right, right why would?
Laurie Krieg:I ever share this deep struggle with my mom because she's scoffing at that person. She's gonna scoff at me person.
Laurie Krieg:She's going to scoff at me. Why would they not think that? Right? No, they have no context. That's the only context with which you talk about LGBTQ things is it's a scoffing air. So have a conversation. Love, this is God's positive vision. There's this grief you can hold as you talk about it. And, honey, that just does not, that they just don't believe about marriage like that that we do, and I'm so sad about that. But they don't know Jesus, so it makes sense that they're not following it, so we're just not going to watch that. Then there's this middle level that's like not overt teaching and that might be a pausing the TV. Hey, they're talking about this, we don't need to like turn that off, you know what I'm saying, like or oh, that person, that girl.
Laurie Krieg:She has a daughter outside of marriage. It's just like alluded to. But you know, you maybe don't need to make it a big deal.
Jessica LM Jenkins:That makes a lot of sense. I really appreciate that. So, as you are a parent and parenting your kids, shepherding your kids through all these sorts of issues, what does your ideal sex education look like for your kids and others?
Laurie Krieg:So experts say we should start talking with our kids about sex between ages six and nine. That's banana town, that's very young in my opinion, but I've done it. I usually wait until ages eight and nine. Now when I talk with my kids about sex, I I am like alluding to it for a few conversations beforehand, kind of more about puberty, because, let's be honest, that's actually the five alarm fire that is inevitable for our kids at age 13. But so we really need to prepare. So, like with our girls, you know they're going to see tampons in the bathroom and I'm gonna say, oh, yeah, well, you know what. Girls have something called a period. I may say a couple's, one sentence when they're three or four years old Yep, just like even saying the word period. And maybe at age five or six, I start saying like, yep, it's for mommies, every month when they they have a period, when they bleed, and that's when that's preparing their bodies to have a baby someday. So it's just this illusion.
Jessica LM Jenkins:And that first conversation.
Laurie Krieg:When I talk about sex, it's going to be 85% about puberty, 15% about God's design for sex, and it's going to be very much in the context of what is marriage? What's your life about? What's marriage, the purpose of marriage, and then sex is a showing of this. Significant other, this covenant spouse this is how much God wants to and will be one with you, but it's in the context of covenant. So that is my ideal sex ed is.
Jessica LM Jenkins:It's very sex ed is. It's very puberty focused. Yes, yes. And how do you manage a puberty focus when you're dealing with children that are in spaces like a public school or somewhere where they're going to be hearing things from other kids? How do you work to get ahead? I know you just brought your kids out of public school, but not everybody is able or willing to do that. How do you get ahead of? You know, the child sitting next to them, showing, turning the computer, showing them pornographic images or discussing perhaps more sexually explicit things than we think children their age should be discussing, but we have no control over classmates. How do we, as parents, get ahead of that to help protect and prepare our children and guard their hearts?
Laurie Krieg:So I mean, there's absolutely no way to predict exactly what our kids are going to hear where and when. And you can be in public school, private school. Do you know that? Actually a private school 40% of kids see porn in school at private school, wow, 20% at public school.
Laurie Krieg:So I believe, and not say that one is better than the other. This is what is, uh, what's God calling your family to right? That's fascinating, it really is Uh. So saying that, uh, there's something called the anchoring bias, which really means where whatever your kids hear first, or whatever humans hear first, that tends to be the gold standard to which we uh compare everything else. So our kids um need to.
Laurie Krieg:This is why a reason that we should be talking with our kids about sex at younger ages, so that we are the gold standard and they're not hearing about aberration of sex before they're hearing the beauty of sex and the reason it's there. So, with my kids when they were in public school and even in private school now, I say things like hey, here's god's design. So there's, there's different areas, here's god's good design. Now here's where how I would prepare for the unpreparable. Right, you're gonna hear different things at school. Your teachers are gonna talk about things about marriage, about sexuality. If they ever say something that you're like I don't know if that's true, would you just come home and just let's just talk, yeah, and if they do talk about it with you, don't freak out, kids.
Laurie Krieg:Every human is made with these mirror neurons and they are trying to pick up from us as parents how they should feel about what they're saying. So if you're freaked out, I'm just gonna tell you stop it. Yeah, that's not good therapy advice, but you gotta take it to the lord in grief and in prayer before your kid comes to you. God, I hate this broken world. I hate broken sexuality. I'm sorry. All of our sexual stories, how our husband did things our parents you did. Yeah, we can't believe it abuse we've endured. So do that beforehand, so that when your kid comes to you thank you so much for sharing that. And if you don't know how to respond, your kid just said hey, my, my, uh, my best friend identifies as a cat and has sex with snakes. I don't know, I've never actually heard that. But, wow, thank you so much for sharing that. How do you feel about that? Those are two questions Now. They might not need help navigating it, but you might want to help.
Laurie Krieg:So then you just go and do a little bit of research after that. How should I respond to this? But just really, thank you so much for sharing that. How do you? How do we prepare them for porn? Oh, how I have said it to my kids Guys, do you know that on the internet I've said this since my kids were five people take pictures of private parts and they put them online. I don't, I love that, that picture book, good picture, bad picture and I don't know if they use this explicit language, but I do say explicit eyeball to eyeball to my kids People take pictures of private parts of penises. You know, if you want to use language of vaginas and they put on like what, if you guys ever see that, you will not get in trouble, you just close the screen to me. So that's three scenarios that I'm talking about there.
Jessica LM Jenkins:But yeah, no, that's fantastic and I absolutely love your don't freak out advice, because I know for some parents, and especially parents who have sexual trauma themselves, dealing in that whole realm can be very activating or even triggering internally. So preparing themselves my dad, who's a pastor, used to say you are unshockable. Preparing to just be unshockable by whatever they bring, so that you can engage them. Because and I'm sure you would agree with this our goal as parent, one of our many goals as parents, is to create a safe space for our children, to bring whatever it is to us their same-sex attraction, the fact that their best friend in school just showed them porn, their crush on an opposite gender child. We want them to come talk to us. What does this word mean? I'm going to ask you, mom, before I Google it. Let's like I will sit down if we need to and I'll Google it with you, but we're gonna, we're going to be wise and mommy and daddy know all about sex. You can always come talk to us.
Laurie Krieg:Great yeah, keeping that door open. I'm like I am Google. I am Google, yes.
Jessica LM Jenkins:Yes, my kids are still not great at spelling so I'm not overly worried about Google, but they are getting there, so it's like oh yeah. We got to put up all those blockers.
Laurie Krieg:I will say too I'm sure many people know this, but in case you don't, a kid's first experience with pornography is trauma.
Jessica LM Jenkins:Mm-hmm.
Laurie Krieg:A child cannot prepare their brains for what they are going to see and then, if they like, get curious and look back like it can become sin. You know they keep going back. They feel this emptiness inside, they feel this curiosity inside and it's crack it like takes over their brain as far as like neurologically. But I just want to say that for any parent listening, you're like it's trauma, like they can't. There's no way for their brains to prepare and so to help them to think of it that way. Oh, how do you feel? I'm so sorry.
Jessica LM Jenkins:It was so hard to see that, how are you doing? Let's just pray over your mind and heart and body so, and then let's make it so. We can't see that again. I want to put that out there. Be caring and non-anxious that you can press into their experience of whatever they're experiencing without your own anxiety and fear overshadowing, to the point where they feel like they can't bring their concerns to you.
Laurie Krieg:That's great.
Jessica LM Jenkins:Wonderful. Well, I have really appreciated this conversation. Hopefully it will be so helpful. Do you have any? On this whole topic? We've been discussing any resources you would like to recommend. You gave me a list that I will put in the show notes, but any particular resources you want to mention while we are discussing that you think would be particularly helpful that you think would be particularly helpful.
Laurie Krieg:Well, if you're interested in our film project that's going to be coming out fall of 25, you can go to centerforfaithcom. We'll have more information as trailers come up, et cetera, et cetera. But keep your eyes peeled there. For a discipleship film project for parents of kids age zero to 12. We do already have one created for teens, so, parents of teenagers, called christian sexuality, you can go to christiansexualitycom, uh, and that's where you can find information for parents of teenagers. But the one for kids 0 to 12 is coming out fall of 25. There is a great book by julia sadusky called start talking to your kids about it's. In the subtitle it says a practical guide for Catholics. So if you're not Catholic you might be like wait, this isn't quite for me. It's so good, like truly so many things, for that Protestants will appreciate as well. And Julia is so wise and she handles these topics really beautifully. Love that.
Jessica LM Jenkins:Love that Well. Thank you so much for being with us today. I really appreciate the conversation and your openness about your journey. I will get all of these things in the show notes for anybody who is interested in Lori's books and her projects and the resources she recommends on this topics. Thank you so much, lori, for being with us and I hope you have a great day.
Laurie Krieg:Thank you, you guys too.
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